Comments on: It is hilarious when some Christians accuse the Catholic church of being influenced by paganism? http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/ All about religion Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:10:03 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: upyr1 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14343 upyr1 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:59:12 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14343 It's almost as bad as non Christians who jump to the conclution that all Christian Holidays are of Pagan orgin. For example- the Feast of the Resurection in other languges it is called Passover and it is indexed to a full moon as the point to the date was to get it some time after pass over on a sunday. The western Haloween however was borrowed from Celtic pagans. It’s almost as bad as non Christians who jump to the conclution that all Christian Holidays are of Pagan orgin.
For example- the Feast of the Resurection in other languges it is called Passover and it is indexed to a full moon as the point to the date was to get it some time after pass over on a sunday. The western Haloween however was borrowed from Celtic pagans.

]]> By: truth http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14342 truth Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:22:46 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14342 How many times does one have to explain that the catholic church is also christian and was the first christian religion, and yes it did take many things from the pagans, i.e, christmas and easter as their holidays. In the beginning they even used some of the Pagan churches for christianity. How many times does one have to explain that the catholic church is also christian and was the first christian religion, and yes it did take many things from the pagans, i.e, christmas and easter as their holidays. In the beginning they even used some of the Pagan churches for christianity.

]]> By: liz v http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14341 liz v Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:21:38 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14341 You're right. When the Protestants pulled away from the Catholic Church, they took many of the rituals with them. But one very important thing that came of it was that the common people finally had access to the Bible so they could know what it really said, instead of having to trust that the man who was teaching them was really telling them the true Gospel and not just his opinion in order to manipulate them. You’re right. When the Protestants pulled away from the Catholic Church, they took many of the rituals with them. But one very important thing that came of it was that the common people finally had access to the Bible so they could know what it really said, instead of having to trust that the man who was teaching them was really telling them the true Gospel and not just his opinion in order to manipulate them.

]]> By: Mistoday, PRD for Peace http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14340 Mistoday, PRD for Peace Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:16:52 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14340 I don't think it is hilarious; many Catholics and Christians do not know true history and that is why the cultures in industrialized countries are so messed up now. Would you like to see the history of early Christianity according to the eye witnesses? http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/ Eusebius compiled the official early Church history, but there are many writers on the above link. Mistoday, Pray the Rosary Daily for Peace I don’t think it is hilarious; many Catholics and Christians do not know true history and that is why the cultures in industrialized countries are so messed up now.

Would you like to see the history of early Christianity according to the eye witnesses?

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

Eusebius compiled the official early Church history, but there are many writers on the above link.

Mistoday, Pray the Rosary Daily for Peace

]]> By: Lives7 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14339 Lives7 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:04:36 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14339 Catholics do see Truth in Greek philosophers, such as Plato, Aristotle, and others. Hellenistic influences were prevalent even in the Sacred Scripture that Jesus our Christ actually read during His earthly ministry. This error of "purity" that Luther tried to force in his bible formations resulted in the deletion of Sacred Scriptures that Jesus Himself quoted from in the Gospel Letters, that were Greek! Does this diminish Jesus? Absolutely not. To understand authentic history is to recognize that Catholicism was there from the very beginning founded directly by Jesus. Constantine simply legalized Catholicism in Rome. Jesus, and the first century Catholicsm kept the Faith of Christ alive and well. Take a journey in the catacombs of Rome for proof, or the city of ancient Antioch, or Jerusalem, etc etc etc. Facts are nasty thing to disprove. God is the creator of ALL the universe. Of course God would be found throughout HIS creation. Catholics do see Truth in Greek philosophers, such as Plato, Aristotle, and others. Hellenistic influences were prevalent even in the Sacred Scripture that Jesus our Christ actually read during His earthly ministry. This error of “purity” that Luther tried to force in his bible formations resulted in the deletion of Sacred Scriptures that Jesus Himself quoted from in the Gospel Letters, that were Greek! Does this diminish Jesus? Absolutely not. To understand authentic history is to recognize that Catholicism was there from the very beginning founded directly by Jesus. Constantine simply legalized Catholicism in Rome. Jesus, and the first century Catholicsm kept the Faith of Christ alive and well. Take a journey in the catacombs of Rome for proof, or the city of ancient Antioch, or Jerusalem, etc etc etc.

Facts are nasty thing to disprove.
God is the creator of ALL the universe. Of course God would be found throughout HIS creation.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14338 Thomas Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:20:11 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14338 Christmas: There are two main theories behind the Dec 25 date. In A.D. 274, the Roman Emperor Aurelian inaugurated Dec. 25 as the pagan "Birth of the Unconquered Sun" celebration, at the calendar point when daylight began to lengthen. Supposedly, Christians then borrowed the date and devised Christmas to compete with paganism. Aurelian's empire seemed near collapse, so his festival proclaimed imperial and pagan rejuvenation. Prior to 274 there's no record of a major sun cult at the Northern Hemisphere's winter solstice (the year's shortest day, which actually occurs before Dec. 25). The problem with this theory is that Aurelian almost certainly created a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians, the Christians later appropriated Aurelian's festival into their Christmas. But Dec. 25 "appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences," The pagans-first theory originated only three centuries ago in the writings of Protestant historian Paul Ernst Jablonski and Catholic monk Jean Hardouin. The first hard evidence of Christmas occurring on Dec. 25 isn't found until A.D. 336 and the date only became a fixed festival in Constantinople in 379. However, there is an important reference in the "Chronicle" written by Hippolytus of Rome three decades before Aurelian launched his festival. Hippolytus said Jesus' birth "took place eight days before the kalends of January," that is, Dec. 25. There's evidence that as early as the second and third centuries, Christians sought to fix the birth date to help determine the time of Jesus' death and resurrection for the liturgical calendar ---- long before Christmas also became a festival. The New Testament Gospels say the Crucifixion happened at the Jewish Passover season. The "integral age" concept, taught by ancient Judaism though not in the Bible, held that Israel's great prophets died the same day as their birth or conception. Christians applied this idea to Jesus and set the Passover period's March 25 for the Feast of the Annunciation, marking the angel Gabriel's announcement to Mary that she would give birth. Add nine months to the conception date and we get Dec. 25. Inside the Vatican magazine also supported Dec. 25, citing a report from St. John Chrysostom (patriarch of Constantinople who died in A.D. 407) that Christians had marked Dec. 25 from the early days of the church. Chrysostom had a further argument that modern scholars ignore: Luke 1 says Zechariah was performing priestly duty in the Temple when an angel told his wife Elizabeth she would bear John the Baptist. During the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy, Mary learned about her conception of Jesus and visited Elizabeth "with haste." The 24 classes of Jewish priests served one week in the Temple, and Zechariah was in the eighth class. Rabbinical tradition fixed the class on duty when the Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 and, calculating backward from that, Zechariah's class would have been serving Oct. 2-9 in 5 B.C. So Mary's conception visit six months later might have occurred the following March and Jesus' birth nine months afterward. Though it is not a matter of faith, there is no good reason not to accept the tradition of March 25 conception and Dec. 25 birth. Easters relationship with any pagan holiday is tenuous at best. Christmas:
There are two main theories behind the Dec 25 date. In A.D. 274, the Roman Emperor Aurelian inaugurated Dec. 25 as the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” celebration, at the calendar point when daylight began to lengthen. Supposedly, Christians then borrowed the date and devised Christmas to compete with paganism.

Aurelian’s empire seemed near collapse, so his festival proclaimed imperial and pagan rejuvenation. Prior to 274 there’s no record of a major sun cult at the Northern Hemisphere’s winter solstice (the year’s shortest day, which actually occurs before Dec. 25).

The problem with this theory is that Aurelian almost certainly created a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians, the Christians later appropriated Aurelian’s festival into their Christmas. But Dec. 25 “appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences,” The pagans-first theory originated only three centuries ago in the writings of Protestant historian Paul Ernst Jablonski and Catholic monk Jean Hardouin.

The first hard evidence of Christmas occurring on Dec. 25 isn’t found until A.D. 336 and the date only became a fixed festival in Constantinople in 379.

However, there is an important reference in the “Chronicle” written by Hippolytus of Rome three decades before Aurelian launched his festival. Hippolytus said Jesus’ birth “took place eight days before the kalends of January,” that is, Dec. 25.

There’s evidence that as early as the second and third centuries, Christians sought to fix the birth date to help determine the time of Jesus’ death and resurrection for the liturgical calendar —- long before Christmas also became a festival.

The New Testament Gospels say the Crucifixion happened at the Jewish Passover season. The “integral age” concept, taught by ancient Judaism though not in the Bible, held that Israel’s great prophets died the same day as their birth or conception.

Christians applied this idea to Jesus and set the Passover period’s March 25 for the Feast of the Annunciation, marking the angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary that she would give birth. Add nine months to the conception date and we get Dec. 25.

Inside the Vatican magazine also supported Dec. 25, citing a report from St. John Chrysostom (patriarch of Constantinople who died in A.D. 407) that Christians had marked Dec. 25 from the early days of the church.

Chrysostom had a further argument that modern scholars ignore:

Luke 1 says Zechariah was performing priestly duty in the Temple when an angel told his wife Elizabeth she would bear John the Baptist. During the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, Mary learned about her conception of Jesus and visited Elizabeth “with haste.”

The 24 classes of Jewish priests served one week in the Temple, and Zechariah was in the eighth class. Rabbinical tradition fixed the class on duty when the Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 and, calculating backward from that, Zechariah’s class would have been serving Oct. 2-9 in 5 B.C. So Mary’s conception visit six months later might have occurred the following March and Jesus’ birth nine months afterward.

Though it is not a matter of faith, there is no good reason not to accept the tradition of March 25 conception and Dec. 25 birth.

Easters relationship with any pagan holiday is tenuous at best.

]]> By: MSB http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14337 MSB Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:10:17 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14337 Yes, it does make me laugh and strike me as ironic, as they are using the same scriptures that the Catholics compiled for them with the same Pagan motifs and archetypes. They think of Christianity as a natural extension of Judaism, when so many Christian beliefs are just flat-out against Jewish doctrine and come directly from Pagan influences. Yes, it does make me laugh and strike me as ironic, as they are using the same scriptures that the Catholics compiled for them with the same Pagan motifs and archetypes.

They think of Christianity as a natural extension of Judaism, when so many Christian beliefs are just flat-out against Jewish doctrine and come directly from Pagan influences.

]]> By: zena e http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14336 zena e Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:57:35 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14336 Not the True Greek KATHOLIKOS ( GR FIRST UNIVERSAL) Church of The First Greek Septuagint and Greek New Testament of the World The Christ Mass is an RC Invention CHRIST MASS at the time of Saturnalla and Easter at Time of ISTHAR. I celebrate by the Julian Calendar are Many Easterners Do. The True Name of the Day Christians Celebrate the Birth of Our Lord is Called The Nativity of Christ.. My Heritage Languages Greek Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ Russian С Рождеством! BIrth of Christ XRUCTOC ROCHDAETCIA ( Slavic Languages Similar Christ is Born Greeting you with the Birth of Christ Greek Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ Russian С Рождеством! Examples. ( In Slavic Languages MERRY CHRIST MASS Is never Heard.. Anywhere The Feast of the Nativity ... ( When Christ was Born) Or in Greek Easterner Celebrate Pascha.. not ISTHAR Greek The Greek word Πάσχα IS PASCHA >. Χριστός ἀνέστη! Ἀληθῶς ἀνέστη! (Khristós Anésti! Alithós Anésti! ... Russian Paska... Христос Воскресе! Воистину Воскресе! (Khristos Voskrese! Christ is Risen,, Truly Christ has Risen Thus I don't Celbrate any Pagan Holidays. True Christians Celebrate the Birth of Christ and the Resurrection of Christ IC XC NIKA Kyrie Eleison Greek Orthodox Katholikos ( Gr Universal ) Apostolic Chrsitian of The First Greek Septuagiant, and Greek New Testament PS.. Constantine was Born in Nisi ( Serbia ) and was NEVER an RC.. A saint in the True Eastern Gr. Katholikos Universal Church of God ( Show me one Serb who is RC) NOT ONE If RCs are so UNIVERSAL ( as they Claim) why don't they drop MERRY CHRIST MASS and HAPPY EASTER.. Not Merry .. Mary Travailed in Child Birth but a Holy and Blessed Event at the Birth of Christ and Resurrection in Pascha .. Not Happy Easter. We Rejoice in Resurrection of Our Lord. They Dropped Limbo, Why not HAPPY EASTER.. Yes all Use it Check out the Masses at Easter on RC Webs. Happy Easter to All Never in an Eastern Church as well as Merry Christ Mass in RC Churches on Web and In Their Church.. Priest Greets all Merry Christmas.. Happy Easter In Church.. IC XC NIKA Not the True Greek KATHOLIKOS ( GR FIRST UNIVERSAL) Church of
The First Greek Septuagint and Greek New Testament of the World

The Christ Mass is an RC Invention CHRIST MASS
at the time of Saturnalla and Easter at Time of ISTHAR.

I celebrate by the Julian Calendar are Many Easterners Do.
The True Name of the Day Christians Celebrate the Birth of Our
Lord is Called

The Nativity of Christ..

My Heritage Languages
Greek
Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ
Russian
С Рождеством!

BIrth of Christ XRUCTOC ROCHDAETCIA ( Slavic Languages Similar
Christ is Born

Greeting you with the Birth of Christ
Greek
Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ
Russian
С Рождеством!
Examples. ( In Slavic Languages MERRY CHRIST MASS Is never
Heard.. Anywhere

The Feast of the Nativity … ( When Christ was Born)
Or in Greek

Easterner Celebrate Pascha.. not ISTHAR

Greek The Greek word Πάσχα IS PASCHA >.
Χριστός ἀνέστη! Ἀληθῶς ἀνέστη! (Khristós Anésti! Alithós Anésti! …

Russian Paska…
Христос Воскресе! Воистину Воскресе! (Khristos Voskrese!
Christ is Risen,, Truly Christ has Risen

Thus I don’t Celbrate any Pagan Holidays. True Christians Celebrate the
Birth of Christ and the Resurrection of Christ

IC XC NIKA
Kyrie Eleison

Greek Orthodox Katholikos ( Gr Universal ) Apostolic Chrsitian of
The First Greek Septuagiant, and Greek New Testament

PS.. Constantine was Born in Nisi ( Serbia ) and was NEVER an RC.. A saint in the True Eastern Gr. Katholikos
Universal Church of God ( Show me one Serb who is RC)
NOT ONE

If RCs are so UNIVERSAL ( as they Claim) why don’t they
drop MERRY CHRIST MASS and HAPPY EASTER..
Not Merry .. Mary Travailed in Child Birth but a Holy and Blessed Event at the Birth of Christ

and Resurrection in Pascha .. Not Happy Easter.
We Rejoice in Resurrection of Our Lord.

They Dropped Limbo, Why not HAPPY EASTER.. Yes all Use it Check out the Masses at Easter on RC Webs. Happy Easter to All

Never in an Eastern Church as well as Merry Christ Mass in RC Churches on Web and In Their Church.. Priest Greets all Merry Christmas.. Happy Easter In Church..

IC XC NIKA

]]> By: answer4you http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14335 answer4you Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:31:15 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14335 It's even funnier when Protestant Christians fail to realize that the core of their beliefs came from the Catholics themselves. But I guess it is easier to complain and "protest" against something that does not fit their lifestyles... and then turn their back against the TRUE and FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH... the CATHOLIC CHURCH... It’s even funnier when Protestant Christians fail to realize that the core of their beliefs came from the Catholics themselves. But I guess it is easier to complain and “protest” against something that does not fit their lifestyles… and then turn their back against the TRUE and FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH… the CATHOLIC CHURCH…

]]> By: imacatholic2 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/comment-page-1/#comment-14334 imacatholic2 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:38:37 +0000 http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/it-is-hilarious-when-some-christians-accuse-the-catholic-church-of-being-influenced-by-paganism/#comment-14334 + Easter + The English word "Easter" relates to Estre, a Teutonic (German) goddess of the rising light of day and spring. No one seems to know why this English word was used for the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The great feast of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was celebrated long before the unchristian English word "Easter" was first used. And the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is directly related to the Jewish feast of Passover going back to about 3,000 B.C.E. Most other languages use the Jewish/Christian word for "Passover" for the great celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ that English speakers call "Easter." The Greek term for "Passover" is Páskha. It is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew pesach (meaning passover). Other languages: Afrikaans: Paasfees Albanian: Pashkët Breton: Pask Seder Catalan: Pasqua Chamorro: Pasgua Cornish: Pask Danish: Påske or Paaske Dutch: Pasen or Paschen Esperanto: Paskon Finnish: Pääsiäistä French: Pâques Galician: Pascuas Icelandic: Páska Indonesian: Paskah Italian: Pasqua Jèrriais: Pâques Latin: Pascha Norwegian: Påske Portuguese: Páscoa Scottish: Pask Sicilian: Pasqua Spanish: Pascuas Swahili: Pasaka Swedish: Påsk Welsh: Pasg Even in the German provinces of the Lower Rhine where the Teutonic goddess Estre had its origins, the people call the feast Paisken not Ostern. + Christmas + Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, God the Son. The angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For today in the city of David a savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find an infant wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger." And suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying: "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests." (Luke 2:10-14) Christmas is in no way a pagan holiday. No one knows the exact day when Jesus was born. If a date close to the winter solstice was chosen for Christmas to make conversion of pagans to Christianity easier then what is the harm of that? One could probably find a pagan holiday close to any date on the calendar. Christmas is celebrated by almost all Christian denominations not just Catholics. With love in Christ. + Easter +

The English word “Easter” relates to Estre, a Teutonic (German) goddess of the rising light of day and spring. No one seems to know why this English word was used for the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The great feast of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was celebrated long before the unchristian English word “Easter” was first used. And the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is directly related to the Jewish feast of Passover going back to about 3,000 B.C.E.

Most other languages use the Jewish/Christian word for “Passover” for the great celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ that English speakers call “Easter.”

The Greek term for “Passover” is Páskha. It is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew pesach (meaning passover). Other languages:

Afrikaans: Paasfees
Albanian: Pashkët
Breton: Pask Seder
Catalan: Pasqua
Chamorro: Pasgua
Cornish: Pask
Danish: Påske or Paaske
Dutch: Pasen or Paschen
Esperanto: Paskon
Finnish: Pääsiäistä
French: Pâques
Galician: Pascuas
Icelandic: Páska
Indonesian: Paskah
Italian: Pasqua
Jèrriais: Pâques
Latin: Pascha
Norwegian: Påske
Portuguese: Páscoa
Scottish: Pask
Sicilian: Pasqua
Spanish: Pascuas
Swahili: Pasaka
Swedish: Påsk
Welsh: Pasg

Even in the German provinces of the Lower Rhine where the Teutonic goddess Estre had its origins, the people call the feast Paisken not Ostern.

+ Christmas +

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, God the Son.

The angel said to them,

“Do not be afraid; for behold, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For today in the city of David a savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find an infant wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger.”

And suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:

“Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

(Luke 2:10-14)

Christmas is in no way a pagan holiday.

No one knows the exact day when Jesus was born. If a date close to the winter solstice was chosen for Christmas to make conversion of pagans to Christianity easier then what is the harm of that? One could probably find a pagan holiday close to any date on the calendar.

Christmas is celebrated by almost all Christian denominations not just Catholics.

With love in Christ.

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