03. Jun, 2010 
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They don't want to admit Christianity itself borrowed quite a bit from pagans, so it's not JUST Catholicism, but all of Christianity. Including your "religious" holidays like Christmas and Easter.
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It’snot that funny. How else would they have competed with the pagan holidays and gotten people to convert easier ?
‘Christianity itself borrowed quite a bit from pagans’ you say. Don’t you mean ‘Christendom’? True Christianity is untainted by false religion in all it’s forms.
http://www.watchtower.org/
Easter – Full Moon Festival
Christmas – Winter Equinox
I tell you whut – You’re dead right there. Unfortunately, I have to wonder how many people actually know anything about “True Christianity”….certainly not modern Christians, thats for sure
Im not Catholic or anything, but I think you greatly misunderstand.
Easter is the time Christians commemorate the resurrection of The Lord Jesus Christ. Not the worship of the easter bunny and getting fat eating chocolate eggs.
Christmas is the time for commemorating the birthday of The Lord Jesus christ. Not to worship Santa Claus and getting presents through chimneys.
These pagan traditions are highly commercialized, and can often drift into Church to entertain the little ones.
yes. you are correct.
Well, no, it’s not hilarious, when you look at the facts. Catholicism DOES have a lot of pagan elements, such as transubstantiation. But then, by definition, any church that puts a man over God’s Word and that believes Christ’s work on the cross wasn’t enough but must be carried out again and again,, despite His saying, “It is finished,” is not Christian.
There are many proofs that Catholicism is not Christian. Read the Catholic Catechism 1992 some day. It’s shocking.
As to Christmas and Easter, they are Christian, though the Catholic church put Christmas on a pagan holiday. Easter, of course, fell at the Jewish passover. It’s likely that pagan religions copied the Jews, as Judaism is older than the pagan religions.
On an interesting side note, are you aware that ancient Egypt is having to be redated? Turns out, it was common for many kings to rule simultaneously, yet our historians have dated them chronologically. This means nothing about ancient Egypt is as ancient as earlier believed.
Things like “Trinity” and Jesus being “God” or “Son of God” were all decided by OTHER people, NOT Jesus. Mostly by PAGANs like Emperor Constantine centuries after the time of Jesus.
I suggest you watch “Banned From The Bible” by History Channel.
Read more here:
http://www.quran-verse.com/quran/4/171
It is funny only because when Christianity was being developed and established as the official religion in the Roman Empire under Constantine I there was no Catholics and Protestants. It was declared the official religion to stop religious fighting in the area. To ease people into the religion they adopted and modified the pagan high holidays. This changed moved the time of year when Christian holidays would be celebrated and added pagan traditions into the celebrations. A lot of old Christian saints are really just modified pagan deities.
I agree, it’s pretty funny.
Yes i take your point that the Catholic church did put most of the religious holidays on old pagan worship days, couldn’t have the money going somewhere else after all!!! Also most of the pagan worship sites were taken over, and put to such a “different” use after that !!!.. not! Pagans didn’t have easter, that came from the Jews!!
It is not hilarious in my opinion. Thank you for telling us something we already know.
Christians didn’t get it from pagans they were told that they had to do with son of god and they got it from the catholics because people that started the reformation only got 90% of all the catholic lies they go so deep it would take 400 years to find it all out if you were only looking at history. there is about 2000 year from the time the son of god was crucified. it takes many people over a long period of time. they will get it right some day.
p.s. i don’t celebrate Christmas or Easter and Saturday is my sabbath but i believe in the son of god. his name wasn’t even Jesus it was Yeshua. Jesus is a Greek name. Yeshua was Hebrew.
why do pictures of Jesus look like he is white??????????????? no i am not Hebrew i am German
The roots of Christianity are in Judaism, not paganism. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was most likely born in late September making Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, a likely date. Jesus certainly was not born on Christmas Day.
And Jesus’ death and resurrection has more to do with Passover than Easter. We leave Christmas and Easter to the pagans and Catholics.
I don’t see what the big “deal” is about it any way. Paganism existed before Judaism. Abraham’s parents were pagans.
Having a practice, such as a pagan practice, does not mean that those who did it first own it and no other faith can ever subscribe a different meaning to it.
Taking some of what pagans did in their worship of false gods, does not diminish the use of that same practice directed toward the true, living God. We know that pagans sacrificed animals to their gods, and yet God approved of animal sacrifice by the Jews. So the practice itself wasn’t wrong, but the sacrifice applied to the wrong god is.
Hi,
I’m sorry but Easter is the jewish passover. It came to us from Moses. Furthermore, I sure that pagans prior Jesus Christ used to celebrate his birth at CHRISTMAS
Regards,
Emmanuel
I could care less if the dates are right or if they were stolen from pagans. I celebrate Christmas, the birthday of my savior, on December 25. I celebrate Easter as the resurrection of my savior, end of story. It’s not the dates or rituals but the meaning behind them. I have birthday parties for my kids as much as a month after their birthdays, it doesn’t make it any less of a celebration. Just because something doesn’t end up how it started doesn’t make it any less important, Australia started off as a dumping ground for English convicts.
Actually, it would surprise a lot of people to know that Christians were celebrating Christmas before December 25th was a pagan holiday.
You can actually look that up (in a history book please not Wiki) and see that there are writings about Christians holding December 25th as Jesus’ birthday at least 50 years before the first celebration of the Winter Solstice came about.
The Emperor Aurelian was dedicated to the Temple of Saturn, there were two temples in Rome dedicated to him, and the feast day was in August–I believe that one temple celebrated it around August 16th and the other around August 26th, but still long before December.
In 274, the Emperor Aurelian changed the feast day to the Winter Solstice, which fell anywhere in between December 21st and December 26th in a way to try and bring people back to Saturn worship. He was losing many followers not just to Christianity, but also to another type of sun worship and decided to try and bring people back by having a huge party.
As stated though, Christianity already held December 25th as the birth of Christ, mainly for the Jewish belief that prophets from God died either on their conception date or on their birth date. Christ died in late March, early April, but the main belief is late March. There was enough known about Christ that the Jewish followers believed He died on his conception date and therefore counted nine months forward from the end of March, making it the end of December as His birthday.
Easter therefore was already celebrated as well in late March or early April, not because it started once Christians found Celtic belief (which wouldn’t be for a few centuries…).
But yes, there are some things that can be seen as pagan, but it doesn’t mean they are. Even St. Paul when they try to make him into a god tells them that God has witnessed to them through paganism, meaning that even in paganism, you can find glimpses of God. Any old religion is going to have similarities with another religion, even if they don’t ever cross paths until they are both set in their ways.
For example, lets look at Judaism and Egyptian worship:
Both use temples.
Both use animal sacrifices.
Both have sacred scriptures.
Both have feast days.
Both have special weeks and days.
Both have priests and prophets.
But only one worships God…
So similarities does not equal paganism or pagan roots in the least.
As for things that can be seen similar you have:
1. Wedding rings
2. Decorating a Christmas tree
3. Hanging holly
4. Having a Yule Tide log
5. Exchanging gifts
6. Mistletoe
7. Sacred Scriptures
8. Prophets
9. Wars
And so on…but yes, many Protestants miss the fact that they too have similarities with paganism because then they would have to accept that there can be similarities or they would have to get rid of those practices, which means pretty much getting rid of worshiping God.
Hello,
The key thing people also need to remember is that as Christianity spread around the Roman Empire and later far beyond the Churches let the many different cultures keep some of their pagan vestiges so that the culture shock would be far less to these people. Also this whole new concept of sacrifice through to the Trinity itself needed to be explained in their terms.They did not mind the incense through to colourful robes, pomp and pageantry so long as the ceremonies and customs were directed toward God / Jesus in place of the old gods.
Cheers,
Michael Kelly
You nailed it. As this is not yet a world ruled only by God, satan has his hand into everything including religious holidays. We have a mystical fat guy who rewards people for good behavior, supported by an evergreen tree that is the pagan symbol for eternal life. Then you have and Easter bunny and eggs, which are both pagan symbols of fertility. I don’t even want to get into Halloween, which is like Christmas to satan worshipers. As Catholicism believes that other scripture based religions have a piece of God’s truth, maybe the JW’s are on to something by ignoring these rituals. God be with you.
What your question has showed by most of those who agree in full or even partly is how ignorant most people are on the history of Christianity. This of course includes you. Just like political pundits there is no depth to your knowledge or theirs as like the political pundits who learned to simply tell people what they think they know is more beneficial to there cause than explaining where there wrong.
If that is hilarious, I wouldn’t buy your joke book
+ Easter +
The English word “Easter” relates to Estre, a Teutonic (German) goddess of the rising light of day and spring. No one seems to know why this English word was used for the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The great feast of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was celebrated long before the unchristian English word “Easter” was first used. And the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is directly related to the Jewish feast of Passover going back to about 3,000 B.C.E.
Most other languages use the Jewish/Christian word for “Passover” for the great celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ that English speakers call “Easter.”
The Greek term for “Passover” is Páskha. It is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew pesach (meaning passover). Other languages:
Afrikaans: Paasfees
Albanian: Pashkët
Breton: Pask Seder
Catalan: Pasqua
Chamorro: Pasgua
Cornish: Pask
Danish: Påske or Paaske
Dutch: Pasen or Paschen
Esperanto: Paskon
Finnish: Pääsiäistä
French: Pâques
Galician: Pascuas
Icelandic: Páska
Indonesian: Paskah
Italian: Pasqua
Jèrriais: Pâques
Latin: Pascha
Norwegian: Påske
Portuguese: Páscoa
Scottish: Pask
Sicilian: Pasqua
Spanish: Pascuas
Swahili: Pasaka
Swedish: Påsk
Welsh: Pasg
Even in the German provinces of the Lower Rhine where the Teutonic goddess Estre had its origins, the people call the feast Paisken not Ostern.
+ Christmas +
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, God the Son.
The angel said to them,
“Do not be afraid; for behold, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For today in the city of David a savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find an infant wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger.”
And suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:
“Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
(Luke 2:10-14)
Christmas is in no way a pagan holiday.
No one knows the exact day when Jesus was born. If a date close to the winter solstice was chosen for Christmas to make conversion of pagans to Christianity easier then what is the harm of that? One could probably find a pagan holiday close to any date on the calendar.
Christmas is celebrated by almost all Christian denominations not just Catholics.
With love in Christ.
It’s even funnier when Protestant Christians fail to realize that the core of their beliefs came from the Catholics themselves. But I guess it is easier to complain and “protest” against something that does not fit their lifestyles… and then turn their back against the TRUE and FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH… the CATHOLIC CHURCH…
Not the True Greek KATHOLIKOS ( GR FIRST UNIVERSAL) Church of
The First Greek Septuagint and Greek New Testament of the World
The Christ Mass is an RC Invention CHRIST MASS
at the time of Saturnalla and Easter at Time of ISTHAR.
I celebrate by the Julian Calendar are Many Easterners Do.
The True Name of the Day Christians Celebrate the Birth of Our
Lord is Called
The Nativity of Christ..
My Heritage Languages
Greek
Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ
Russian
С Рождеством!
BIrth of Christ XRUCTOC ROCHDAETCIA ( Slavic Languages Similar
Christ is Born
Greeting you with the Birth of Christ
Greek
Kala Christougena ( Greeting in Birth of Christ
Russian
С Рождеством!
Examples. ( In Slavic Languages MERRY CHRIST MASS Is never
Heard.. Anywhere
The Feast of the Nativity … ( When Christ was Born)
Or in Greek
Easterner Celebrate Pascha.. not ISTHAR
Greek The Greek word Πάσχα IS PASCHA >.
Χριστός ἀνέστη! Ἀληθῶς ἀνέστη! (Khristós Anésti! Alithós Anésti! …
Russian Paska…
Христос Воскресе! Воистину Воскресе! (Khristos Voskrese!
Christ is Risen,, Truly Christ has Risen
Thus I don’t Celbrate any Pagan Holidays. True Christians Celebrate the
Birth of Christ and the Resurrection of Christ
IC XC NIKA
Kyrie Eleison
Greek Orthodox Katholikos ( Gr Universal ) Apostolic Chrsitian of
The First Greek Septuagiant, and Greek New Testament
PS.. Constantine was Born in Nisi ( Serbia ) and was NEVER an RC.. A saint in the True Eastern Gr. Katholikos
Universal Church of God ( Show me one Serb who is RC)
NOT ONE
If RCs are so UNIVERSAL ( as they Claim) why don’t they
drop MERRY CHRIST MASS and HAPPY EASTER..
Not Merry .. Mary Travailed in Child Birth but a Holy and Blessed Event at the Birth of Christ
and Resurrection in Pascha .. Not Happy Easter.
We Rejoice in Resurrection of Our Lord.
They Dropped Limbo, Why not HAPPY EASTER.. Yes all Use it Check out the Masses at Easter on RC Webs. Happy Easter to All
Never in an Eastern Church as well as Merry Christ Mass in RC Churches on Web and In Their Church.. Priest Greets all Merry Christmas.. Happy Easter In Church..
IC XC NIKA
Yes, it does make me laugh and strike me as ironic, as they are using the same scriptures that the Catholics compiled for them with the same Pagan motifs and archetypes.
They think of Christianity as a natural extension of Judaism, when so many Christian beliefs are just flat-out against Jewish doctrine and come directly from Pagan influences.
Christmas:
There are two main theories behind the Dec 25 date. In A.D. 274, the Roman Emperor Aurelian inaugurated Dec. 25 as the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” celebration, at the calendar point when daylight began to lengthen. Supposedly, Christians then borrowed the date and devised Christmas to compete with paganism.
Aurelian’s empire seemed near collapse, so his festival proclaimed imperial and pagan rejuvenation. Prior to 274 there’s no record of a major sun cult at the Northern Hemisphere’s winter solstice (the year’s shortest day, which actually occurs before Dec. 25).
The problem with this theory is that Aurelian almost certainly created a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians, the Christians later appropriated Aurelian’s festival into their Christmas. But Dec. 25 “appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences,” The pagans-first theory originated only three centuries ago in the writings of Protestant historian Paul Ernst Jablonski and Catholic monk Jean Hardouin.
The first hard evidence of Christmas occurring on Dec. 25 isn’t found until A.D. 336 and the date only became a fixed festival in Constantinople in 379.
However, there is an important reference in the “Chronicle” written by Hippolytus of Rome three decades before Aurelian launched his festival. Hippolytus said Jesus’ birth “took place eight days before the kalends of January,” that is, Dec. 25.
There’s evidence that as early as the second and third centuries, Christians sought to fix the birth date to help determine the time of Jesus’ death and resurrection for the liturgical calendar —- long before Christmas also became a festival.
The New Testament Gospels say the Crucifixion happened at the Jewish Passover season. The “integral age” concept, taught by ancient Judaism though not in the Bible, held that Israel’s great prophets died the same day as their birth or conception.
Christians applied this idea to Jesus and set the Passover period’s March 25 for the Feast of the Annunciation, marking the angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary that she would give birth. Add nine months to the conception date and we get Dec. 25.
Inside the Vatican magazine also supported Dec. 25, citing a report from St. John Chrysostom (patriarch of Constantinople who died in A.D. 407) that Christians had marked Dec. 25 from the early days of the church.
Chrysostom had a further argument that modern scholars ignore:
Luke 1 says Zechariah was performing priestly duty in the Temple when an angel told his wife Elizabeth she would bear John the Baptist. During the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, Mary learned about her conception of Jesus and visited Elizabeth “with haste.”
The 24 classes of Jewish priests served one week in the Temple, and Zechariah was in the eighth class. Rabbinical tradition fixed the class on duty when the Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 and, calculating backward from that, Zechariah’s class would have been serving Oct. 2-9 in 5 B.C. So Mary’s conception visit six months later might have occurred the following March and Jesus’ birth nine months afterward.
Though it is not a matter of faith, there is no good reason not to accept the tradition of March 25 conception and Dec. 25 birth.
Easters relationship with any pagan holiday is tenuous at best.
Catholics do see Truth in Greek philosophers, such as Plato, Aristotle, and others. Hellenistic influences were prevalent even in the Sacred Scripture that Jesus our Christ actually read during His earthly ministry. This error of “purity” that Luther tried to force in his bible formations resulted in the deletion of Sacred Scriptures that Jesus Himself quoted from in the Gospel Letters, that were Greek! Does this diminish Jesus? Absolutely not. To understand authentic history is to recognize that Catholicism was there from the very beginning founded directly by Jesus. Constantine simply legalized Catholicism in Rome. Jesus, and the first century Catholicsm kept the Faith of Christ alive and well. Take a journey in the catacombs of Rome for proof, or the city of ancient Antioch, or Jerusalem, etc etc etc.
Facts are nasty thing to disprove.
God is the creator of ALL the universe. Of course God would be found throughout HIS creation.
I don’t think it is hilarious; many Catholics and Christians do not know true history and that is why the cultures in industrialized countries are so messed up now.
Would you like to see the history of early Christianity according to the eye witnesses?
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
Eusebius compiled the official early Church history, but there are many writers on the above link.
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You’re right. When the Protestants pulled away from the Catholic Church, they took many of the rituals with them. But one very important thing that came of it was that the common people finally had access to the Bible so they could know what it really said, instead of having to trust that the man who was teaching them was really telling them the true Gospel and not just his opinion in order to manipulate them.
How many times does one have to explain that the catholic church is also christian and was the first christian religion, and yes it did take many things from the pagans, i.e, christmas and easter as their holidays. In the beginning they even used some of the Pagan churches for christianity.
It’s almost as bad as non Christians who jump to the conclution that all Christian Holidays are of Pagan orgin.
For example- the Feast of the Resurection in other languges it is called Passover and it is indexed to a full moon as the point to the date was to get it some time after pass over on a sunday. The western Haloween however was borrowed from Celtic pagans.