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		<title>By: Rai A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rai A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on what your definition of pagan really. 

I&#039;ve seen definitions that suggest Hebrew Traditions were also Pagan.

Then if you take the away the &quot;non-Xian&quot; Traditions there really will not be much left..

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what your definition of <a href="http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/wordpress/pagan" style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:14px;font-family:Georgia;font-size:14px;" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://www.elsecretodelabruja.nl/wordpress/pagan';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">pagan</a> really. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen definitions that suggest Hebrew Traditions were also Pagan.</p>
<p>Then if you take the away the &#8220;non-Xian&#8221; Traditions there really will not be much left..</p>
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		<title>By: RescuedByTheLamb    pray4revival</title>
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		<dc:creator>RescuedByTheLamb    pray4revival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see Easter celebrated as our Lord&#039;s resurrection and Christmas as the date chosen to celebrate His birth.

But people in commerce and non-believers won&#039;t let us as a whole.  They are times of money making and degrading our Lord&#039;s work.

Those of us who truly care can celebrate on our own and I think that&#039;s what we should do.  We don&#039;t need the approval of anyone else as to what we do in our own homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see Easter celebrated as our Lord&#8217;s resurrection and Christmas as the date chosen to celebrate His birth.</p>
<p>But people in commerce and non-believers won&#8217;t let us as a whole.  They are times of money making and degrading our Lord&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Those of us who truly care can celebrate on our own and I think that&#8217;s what we should do.  We don&#8217;t need the approval of anyone else as to what we do in our own homes.</p>
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		<title>By: tattoomomkc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tattoomomkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope we&#039;ve been doing just fine with 1800 years of tradition. I see no need for change.  Furthermore, Easter is NOT solely pagan. Please refer to Jesus&#039; death and resurrection matching up to Passover. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope we&#8217;ve been doing just fine with 1800 years of tradition. I see no need for change.  Furthermore, Easter is NOT solely pagan. Please refer to Jesus&#8217; death and resurrection matching up to Passover. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Catholic          @        Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catholic          @        Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but even Jesus celebrated Passover. He had nothing against Holy Days.
If it wasn&#039;t important He wouldn&#039;t have done it. 

That&#039;s right, I&#039;m a Catholic...and I will observe Holy Days just like Jesus and the Apostles did.

Passover is mentioned 48 times in the scripture:
http://www.usccb.org:8765/query.html?col=bible&amp;qt=passover&amp;charset=iso-8859-1
Look for yourself.

Leviticus
Chapter 23
1 
The LORD said to Moses, 
2 
&quot;Speak to the Israelites and tell them: The following are the festivals of the LORD, my feast days, which you shall celebrate with a sacred assembly. 
3 
&quot;For six days work may be done; but the seventh day is the sabbath rest, a day for sacred assembly, on which you shall do no work. The sabbath shall belong to the LORD wherever you dwell. 
4 
&quot;These, then, are the festivals of the LORD which you shall celebrate at their proper time with a sacred assembly. 
5 
The Passover of the LORD falls on the fourteenth day of the first month, at the evening twilight. 
6 
The fifteenth day of this month is the LORD&#039;S feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 
7 
On the first of these days you shall hold a sacred assembly and do no sort of work. 
8 
On each of the seven days you shall offer an oblation to the LORD. Then on the seventh day you shall again hold a sacred assembly and do no sort of work.&quot; 
9 
The LORD said to Moses, 

Jesus is the Messiah. 


God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but even Jesus celebrated Passover. He had nothing against Holy Days.<br />
If it wasn&#8217;t important He wouldn&#8217;t have done it. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, I&#8217;m a Catholic&#8230;and I will observe Holy Days just like Jesus and the Apostles did.</p>
<p>Passover is mentioned 48 times in the scripture:<br />
<a href="http://www.usccb.org:8765/query.html?col=bible&#038;qt=passover&#038;charset=iso-8859-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.usccb.org:8765/query.html?col=bible&#038;qt=passover&#038;charset=iso-8859-1</a><br />
Look for yourself.</p>
<p>Leviticus<br />
Chapter 23<br />
1<br />
The LORD said to Moses,<br />
2<br />
&#8220;Speak to the Israelites and tell them: The following are the festivals of the LORD, my feast days, which you shall celebrate with a sacred assembly.<br />
3<br />
&#8220;For six days work may be done; but the seventh day is the sabbath rest, a day for sacred assembly, on which you shall do no work. The sabbath shall belong to the LORD wherever you dwell.<br />
4<br />
&#8220;These, then, are the festivals of the LORD which you shall celebrate at their proper time with a sacred assembly.<br />
5<br />
The Passover of the LORD falls on the fourteenth day of the first month, at the evening twilight.<br />
6<br />
The fifteenth day of this month is the LORD&#8217;S feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.<br />
7<br />
On the first of these days you shall hold a sacred assembly and do no sort of work.<br />
8<br />
On each of the seven days you shall offer an oblation to the LORD. Then on the seventh day you shall again hold a sacred assembly and do no sort of work.&#8221;<br />
9<br />
The LORD said to Moses, </p>
<p>Jesus is the Messiah. </p>
<p>God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: imacatholic2</title>
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		<dc:creator>imacatholic2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Paganism.

This greatest of Christian holy days has been celebrated for almost 2,000 years and is directly related to the Jewish feast of Passover celebrated for about 1,500 years before Christ. Neither of which is related to or based on Paganism.

The popular observance of Easter has incorporated a couple of pagan symbols of fertility in rabbits and eggs but they have nothing to do with the actual celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If some Christians want to do away with Easter bunnies and Easter eggs then I have no problem with that but do not throw Jesus Christ out with them.

With love in Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Paganism.</p>
<p>This greatest of Christian holy days has been celebrated for almost 2,000 years and is directly related to the Jewish feast of Passover celebrated for about 1,500 years before Christ. Neither of which is related to or based on Paganism.</p>
<p>The popular observance of Easter has incorporated a couple of pagan symbols of fertility in rabbits and eggs but they have nothing to do with the actual celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>If some Christians want to do away with Easter bunnies and Easter eggs then I have no problem with that but do not throw Jesus Christ out with them.</p>
<p>With love in Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter'sClay-Isa 64:8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter'sClay-Isa 64:8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why anyone else.. the Bible is there to agree with you.

Since when did the Christians found it OK to celebrate such holidays - which when examined is sourced out from Heathen practices? Sad to see, Christians who dont pray and are not close to God also try just to make it to such holiday events and celebrations. To enjoy a party in the worldly way, forgoing all the meaning of sanctifaication and Holiness, giving up themselves to self-righteousness and covetousness, to the lusts of this flesh. Partying, smoking, drinking all for the sake of such so-called Christians events.

lot more to say, but unless you are submitted to God and withdraw from such non-Blblical practices, we cannot reach the kingdom of Heaven. Lets get closer to God and be prepared for His Coming.

God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why anyone else.. the Bible is there to agree with you.</p>
<p>Since when did the Christians found it OK to celebrate such holidays &#8211; which when examined is sourced out from Heathen practices? Sad to see, Christians who dont pray and are not close to God also try just to make it to such holiday events and celebrations. To enjoy a party in the worldly way, forgoing all the meaning of sanctifaication and Holiness, giving up themselves to self-righteousness and covetousness, to the lusts of this flesh. Partying, smoking, drinking all for the sake of such so-called Christians events.</p>
<p>lot more to say, but unless you are submitted to God and withdraw from such non-Blblical practices, we cannot reach the kingdom of Heaven. Lets get closer to God and be prepared for His Coming.</p>
<p>God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: Hussein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hussein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what is your question? well, is it the Gospel of Thomas......one of those dead books , not in the Bible! Gnostics have a belief in the cosmos.

How influential were Pagans to Christianity and Christ&#039;s Church? 
I think that it is important to acknowledge that these attacks are against all Christians and not just Catholics, although they attack Catholicism in particular. Some seem to be suggesting that if it had not been for syncretism between pagan religions and Catholicism that all Christians would be Arians based on the information that some pagan religions had beliefs similar to Christian Trinitarian beliefs therefore the Trinity is wrong and Arius was right. If I was to list all of the pagan religions that believed in oneness as did Arius and his modern day heretical followers, would that prove that Arius was influenced by Pagans and thus heretical for his beliefs and practices? I pray all can see the folly of such arguments. Are we to accept such comparisons which persuade only by their volume those that are ignorant and not on the truthfulness and application of the comparisons but on the gullibility and prejudice of the hearer?


The origin of most of this anti-Catholic propaganda comes from the book written by Alexander Hislop, called “Two Babylons” published in the mid nineteenth century. Another book written by Ralph Woodrow called ”Babylon Mystery Religion” is a revised and modernized version of Hislop’s book. Both of these books are simply lists of similarities of Roman, Babylonian and Egyptian religions to Christianity that these similarities imply descent. Church history makes such comparisons ridiculous but to the uninformed and uneducated in Church history with a predilection to be suspicious of Catholicism these accusations are believed by some. To the knowledgeable the similarities supposed are laughable but even though they are laughable and weak, people are still influenced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what is your question? well, is it the Gospel of Thomas&#8230;&#8230;one of those dead books , not in the Bible! Gnostics have a belief in the cosmos.</p>
<p>How influential were Pagans to Christianity and Christ&#8217;s Church?<br />
I think that it is important to acknowledge that these attacks are against all Christians and not just Catholics, although they attack Catholicism in particular. Some seem to be suggesting that if it had not been for syncretism between pagan religions and Catholicism that all Christians would be Arians based on the information that some pagan religions had beliefs similar to Christian Trinitarian beliefs therefore the Trinity is wrong and Arius was right. If I was to list all of the pagan religions that believed in oneness as did Arius and his modern day heretical followers, would that prove that Arius was influenced by Pagans and thus heretical for his beliefs and practices? I pray all can see the folly of such arguments. Are we to accept such comparisons which persuade only by their volume those that are ignorant and not on the truthfulness and application of the comparisons but on the gullibility and prejudice of the hearer?</p>
<p>The origin of most of this anti-Catholic propaganda comes from the book written by Alexander Hislop, called “Two Babylons” published in the mid nineteenth century. Another book written by Ralph Woodrow called ”Babylon Mystery Religion” is a revised and modernized version of Hislop’s book. Both of these books are simply lists of similarities of Roman, Babylonian and Egyptian religions to Christianity that these similarities imply descent. Church history makes such comparisons ridiculous but to the uninformed and uneducated in Church history with a predilection to be suspicious of Catholicism these accusations are believed by some. To the knowledgeable the similarities supposed are laughable but even though they are laughable and weak, people are still influenced.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUDDY YOU GOT IT TWISTED.YOU NEED A GOOD EDUCATION IN ASTROTHEOLOGY. RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT SUN WORSHIP EVOLVED. WAKE UP!!!

Rather than being a &quot;Christian&quot; holiday, Easter celebrations date back into remotest antiquity and are found around the world, as the blossoming of spring did not escape the notice of the ancients, who revered this life-renewing time of the year, when winter had passed and the sun was &quot;born again.&quot; The &quot;Pagan&quot; Easter is also the Passover, and Jesus Christ represents not only the sun but also the Passover Lamb ritually sacrificed every year by a number of cultures, including the Egyptians, possibly as early as 4,000 years ago and continuing to this day in some places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUDDY YOU GOT IT TWISTED.YOU NEED A GOOD EDUCATION IN ASTROTHEOLOGY. RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT SUN WORSHIP EVOLVED. WAKE UP!!!</p>
<p>Rather than being a &#8220;Christian&#8221; holiday, Easter celebrations date back into remotest antiquity and are found around the world, as the blossoming of spring did not escape the notice of the ancients, who revered this life-renewing time of the year, when winter had passed and the sun was &#8220;born again.&#8221; The &#8220;Pagan&#8221; Easter is also the Passover, and Jesus Christ represents not only the sun but also the Passover Lamb ritually sacrificed every year by a number of cultures, including the Egyptians, possibly as early as 4,000 years ago and continuing to this day in some places.</p>
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		<title>By: Blessed by the Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blessed by the Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that is possible.  The Romans alone had 260 separate days of religious worship and festivals each year.   I would bet every day has some significance to one pagan religion.

Blessed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that is possible.  The Romans alone had 260 separate days of religious worship and festivals each year.   I would bet every day has some significance to one pagan religion.</p>
<p>Blessed</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
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		<dc:creator>none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While others are caught up in the pagan influences that may or may not be in the holidays; you should not because you know better and can remove them from your own worship of that particular day.

For Easter it&#039;s all about the risen Savior Jesus Christ. He rose to let you know death has no hold over those who believe in Him and like Him, we too will be risen to be with Him. So forget about the Easter eggs and bunnies, that doesn&#039;t fit into the true Easter story.

For Christmas there is no reason not to celebrate it to; no matter what day it is on. God has created everyday! And remember the Christmas night; Holy Angels told the Shepherds to rejoice. So you have the angels celebrating Jesus birth and He wasn&#039;t even born for them. And of course the shepherds went to see and worship the birth of Jesus. 

Why should we, who claim to follow Christ in spirit and truth, be left out of  any of this.

Keep the Faith and Celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While others are caught up in the pagan influences that may or may not be in the holidays; you should not because you know better and can remove them from your own worship of that particular day.</p>
<p>For Easter it&#8217;s all about the risen Savior Jesus Christ. He rose to let you know death has no hold over those who believe in Him and like Him, we too will be risen to be with Him. So forget about the Easter eggs and bunnies, that doesn&#8217;t fit into the true Easter story.</p>
<p>For Christmas there is no reason not to celebrate it to; no matter what day it is on. God has created everyday! And remember the Christmas night; Holy Angels told the Shepherds to rejoice. So you have the angels celebrating Jesus birth and He wasn&#8217;t even born for them. And of course the shepherds went to see and worship the birth of Jesus. </p>
<p>Why should we, who claim to follow Christ in spirit and truth, be left out of  any of this.</p>
<p>Keep the Faith and Celebrate.</p>
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